The Myth/Reality of Antichrist – and the danger to America! Updated


Preface: This essay was originally published in late 2005 or early 2006. Because of formatting issues that arose when I switched Blogs, formatting errors rendered the piece almost unreadable; while editing the original, I noted that Wikipedia had been changed, CNN either lost or deleted past articles, and generally speaking, it appears that the Bush administration is still attempting to re-write history.
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Interesting as it may sound, the Antichrist is not confined to references in the Bible, but predates the few Biblical references found in the 1st and 2nd Book of John. The Antichrist was first referred to in the Hebrew Book of Daniel – and to this day, some scholars are questioning whether the Antichrist was a man, Antiochus IV, who actually lived and was viewed by many Jews as the actual Antichrist; whether the reference is to a person who already existed or is to come in the future, is still fiercely debated by Biblical scholars.

Nevertheless, the history of the Antichrist deserves to be closely examined; throughout history, there have been several people, governments, and even technologies which have been labeled as the “Antichrist”, and to ignore history, and the consistency of adversaries being labeled as the Antichrist as it affects world politics, and the undeniable harm to innocents who are caught in the crossfire to the detriment of the world population, and now as it concerns the United States must be closely examined. It has been proven that history repeats itself, and a close examination of Antichrist’s history and subsequent results could help to stave off what could turn into a worldwide catastrophe by merely understanding the cyclic nature of the Antichrist myth and in that analysis, lies the key to qualm and perhaps mitigate the growing religiosity that is manifesting itself throughout the world.

Yet another difference that confuses the usual categories of eschatological interpretation is whether the book of Revelation is interpreted in a preterist, historicist, or futurist manner. A preterist is one who believes that most of the prophecies of the Apocalypse have been fulfilled in the past. The historicist (or presentist) considers the events of Revelation now in the process of fulfillment, while the futurist believes that the bulk of the book refers to events to come. Until the nineteenth century most premillennialists used the historicist method of interpretation while today the usual premillennial emphasis is futurist. Despite these qualifications, it is still necessary to refer to premillennial, postmillennial, and amillennial interpretations concerning the second coming of Christ if for no other reason than these categories are so widely used.

The Rise of Amillennialism

Early in his career Augustine had held a millenarian view, but due to the exaggerations and crude materialism of many chiliasts he abandoned the teaching. In support of his new theory he turned to Mark 3:27, “No man can enter into a strong man’s house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.” The strong man was Satan, his goods Christians and he was kept away from Christians by being shut up in the abyss, the heart of the wicked. The first resurrection is figurative and represents the conversion experience while the thousand years are symbolic standing for the Christian era. Thus Augustine propounded the doctrine demanded by the times and, applying an allegorical interpretation he believed that the millennium was realized in the church. This doctrine was so fully accepted that at the Council of Ephesus in 431, belief in the millennium was condemned as superstition.

For the next 1,300 years Augustinian amillennialism remained the official teaching of the church. However, during the medieval period there was always an undercurrent of premillennialism among individuals such as Joachim of Fiora and the Spiritual Franciscans. In the fourteenth and fifteenth centuries their teaching was revived by various pre-reformation groups including the Hussites. However, the Protestant Reformers of the sixteenth century continued to hold the Augustinian view of the millennium; nevertheless they suggested changes in eschatological interpretation that led to a renewal of premillennialism in the seventeenth century.

A Premillennial Undercurrent

Martin Luther, for example, advocated a more literal approach to the Bible and identified the papacy with the antichrist. The attention that he called to the prophetic portions of the Bible led some Lutheran scholars to adopt a millennialist interpretation. John Calvin, like Luther, was not impressed with millenarian interpretation, possibly because of the activities of certain Anabaptist groups. Despite Calvin’s opposition, a German Calvinist, Johann H. Alsted (1588-1638), revived the teaching of premillennialism, putting it in a more respectable form.>

Alstedâ’s work was adopted by a learned Anglican scholar, Joseph Mede, who popularized the premillennial view in the English speaking world. Mede, called by some the greatest biblical scholar that the Anglican church has ever produced, was educated at Cambridge University and afterwards became professor of Greek at that institution. In his book, Clavis Apocalypticae (The Key of the Revelation) he considered that his great advance in the interpretation of prophecy was his discovery of the “synchronism” of prophecies. By that he meant that much of the prophetic teaching of the book applies to the same period and describes different beings or events during that time span. LINK

To understand the prevalence of the Antichrist myth, it is important to note the historical figures and governments that have been labeled as “Antichrist” and understand the implications to the United States as this cycle of religiosity expands, possibly more of a national security issue than Islamic terrorists themselves; Islamic terrorists represent only a small threat compared to our national security as opposed to a world that is quickly being convinced that the United States may indeed be the Antichrist. I believe that historians would agree that as a nation, it is vital to reverse course in some respects and help to avoid the universal condemnation of Americans as it begins to manifest itself on a worldwide scale. There is still time, in my opinion, to change attitudes and perceptions as it pertains to America, our government, and the citizenry – but it will take a President and Congress to understand and identify the dangers of the present course the Bush Presidency is pursuing.

Historical characters were often labeled as the Antichrist, as were their governments. To save space, I won’t name all of the ancients whom were suspected to be the Antichrist, but will limit it to a few that stand-out and were the most obvious.

This is a short-list, and fails to mention Antiochus IV as well as Nebuchadnezzar, nor were Stalin and Napoleon mentioned; even President Roosevelt was suspected of being the Antichrist for his passage of the Social Security act – that insidious act of assigning a number to all US citizens:

Nero

Domitian

Decius

Valerian

Diocletian

Adolph Hitler

Benito Mussolini

Kurt Waldheim

Willy Brandt

Pope Paul VI

Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands LINK

In the below link to Wikipedia is a section that identifies the suspected individuals as being such – identified in ancient and contemporary times. LINK

As a matter of humor, I should mention that Ronald Reagan was included on that list, as well as JFK, several other Presidents, and most recently, Britney Spears.

But, the time for humor is over, and there are aspects of this “religiosity” that demand close scrutiny; think about it: There are approximately 30 million Evangelical Christians in the United States that welcome the alleged coming of the Apocalypse, as they believe it signals the second coming of Christ. Through ministers that have capitalized on the fear of imminent destruction – it has been easy to quell the fear of millions that believe the world is coming to an end, offer them a pain-free solution if they “have faith”, and it’s noteworthy to add that many of those that preach this “End of Times” scenario are now multi-millionaires. What better way to fill the pews and donation boxes by offering a solution that will nullify the faithful from the wrath of the coming Apocalypse, as their millionaire preachers offer them a safe haven from a world soon to end?

Then, to add insult to injury, false Prophets such as Pat Robertson make statements prophesizing that the West Coast will experience a tsunami – and when it happens, claim that he has a fast-track to God’s words and wisdom, thus enhancing his dwindling image as man of God. Jay Leno quipped that Pat must have gone to sleep while watching the Weather Channel – however I noted that on the History Channel there was a special entitled “Mega Disasters: West Coast Tsunami;” it was a very factual program describing the “Cascadia Seduction Zone” which is located approximately 50 miles off the coast in the Northern United States and Canada and encompasses 700 miles of potential death and destruction.

Because Cascadia is a “seduction zone”, small earthquakes are not witnessed in the numbers that are reflected on the San Andreas Fault, or other active fault-zones, so the strain builds-up, and when it does “move”, which is usually in intervals of 300 to 400 years (although it has on seven (7) occasions caused tsunamis every 150 years.) the results are catastrophic. An event of this type is referred to as a “Megathrust earthquake,” the most violent and destructive of all known earthquakes. It has been approximately three hundred years since the last major event therefore geologists feel a major quake/tsunami is imminent; in fact, they have actively been preparing for it for years. Prophesizing a tsunami on the west coast is akin to prophesizing the sun will go down tonight; we all know it will happen, but in the case of Cascadia, the “when” is the question, which of course Robertson couldn’t provide. This is a seduction zone that could literally shift while I’m typing this article, so a prophesy such as this is scientific fact that Mr. Robertson is so shamefully attempting to capitalize on; it absolutely fascinates me when he uses sound scientific fact to make a “prophecy” – yet he approves of “intelligent design” teachings in our schools. It’s easy to rely on science when it supports a cause or theory, but utter hypocrisy to insinuate the earth is only 6,000 years old when we have fossils that date back approximately sixty-five million years!

But I digress; In the 19th century, current end-time theories were begun by a popular British Evangelist, :

Darby is noted in the theological world as the father of dispensationalism, later made popular in the United States by Cyrus Scofield Scofield Reference Bible. He popularised, and is often credited with originating, the “secret rapture” theory wherein Christ will suddenly remove His bride, the Church, from this world before the judgments of the tribulation. Dispensationalist beliefs about the fate of the Jews and the re-establishment of the Kingdom of Israel put dispensationalists at the forefront of Christian Zionism, because “God is able to graft them in again,” and they believe that in His grace he will do so according to their understanding of Old Testament prophecy. They may have influenced the British government to issue the Balfour Declaration 1917, and have certainly had an effect on United States foreign policy under the presidencies of Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush.

Darby traveled widely in Europe and Britain in the 1830s and 1840s, and established many Brethren assemblies. He gave 11 significant lectures in Geneva in 1840 on the hope of the church (L’attente actuelle de l’église.) These established his reputation as a leading interpreter of biblical prophecy. The beliefs he disseminated then are still being propagated (in various forms) at such places as Dallas Theological Seminary and Bob Jones University and by authors and preachers such as Hal Lindsey and Tim LaHaye. LINK

NOTE: The sentence that was posted in bold, “They may have influenced the British government to issue the Balfour Declaration 1917, and have certainly had an effect on United States foreign policy under the presidencies of Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush” was part of the original Wikipedia entry when this essay was originally published in late 2005 or early 2006; sometime after that date, the above sentence was edited and no longer appears in the Wikipedia entry as it pertains to John Nelson Darby. Unfortunately, it appears that Bush’s propagandists have been hard at work to purge any negative references to the Bush administration from the public record.

It’s also important to note that when the Puritan’s migrated to the Colonies, they came for two reasons; to escape religious persecution in Europe and to convert those who inhabited this land to their faith, Christianity. The problems arose when the Puritans began running out of food and started raiding the supplies of the natives, which resulted in several conflicts and an eventual “war” on the Indians. The Puritans, to justify their actions labeled the natives as “agents of the Antichrist” – therefore making it “Christian” to murder those who represented the Antichrist and gave them the rationale and moral high-ground to murder countless thousands of innocents under the name of God. (Odd, but you won’t find this fact in history books used in the education of our youth. It seems that the “Christian influence” in government is attempting to re-write history so that Christianity will be viewed in a more favorable light, but as the extermination of Native American Indians have shown, there is much darkness associated with that light!)

Also in the 19th Century, a Preacher by the name of William Miller argued that the entire Book of Revelations was unfulfilled, and predicted the end of the world between 1843 and 1844. When his original date was missed, he stated he had made a miscalculation, and came up with another date in the near future. His followers, known as “Millerites“ actually quit working in the fields and performing their regular duties while waiting for Armageddon in an era that was dubbed to be “The Great Disappointment”.

In the 1920’s and 30’s, Chain Stores were seen as an agent of the Antichrist as they pushed some small businessmen out of business and introduced complicated systems of numbers for inventory control, which were viewed as tools of the Antichrist.

Hal Lindsey was one of the most famous with his novel “The late Great Planet Earth.” The book has sold somewhere in the neighborhood of 35,000,000 copies. Consider all of those sales in spite of the fact that Hal Lindsey forecast that the end days would be within the generation of the establishment of Israel in 1948 and believed that a generation in the Bible was 40 years. Therefore, by 1988 Jesus would have established his kingdom. Virtually none of Lindsey’s verifiable predictions have been confirmed by history.

Now, for the current day reemergence of the “Rapture” culture, we can turn to Tim LaHaye and Jerry B. Jenkins for their enormous success of the Left Behind series, one that I actually read myself. The storyline was interesting, and each volume was a cliff-hanger, leaving millions of people not-so-patiently awaiting the next release of the series. After it was finished, I sighed and felt good that in the end, evil was vanquished and as was expected, the good guys won the final battle. It was a great fictional series, I enjoyed it, and made a mental note to NEVER allow anyone to tattoo my forehead or hand, just in case there was any possibility that reality turns out to be as strange as fiction!

The problem is, millions of other Americans and Evangelical Christians took this fictional interpretation of the Bible and Book of Revelations literally; the original book, “Left Behind” was released in October of 1995 and since then, religiosity has returned to the United States with a vengeance; conservative right-wing Evangelical Christians are attempting to dominate politics, remove a woman’s right to free-choice, bashing gays, and generally demanding that millions of Americans bow to their views and beliefs rather than minding their own business. A casual reader might assume that I am anti-Christian or on a broader scale, an atheist who respects no religion. Nothing could be further from the truth, however I will admit that I am against any religious influence in government, whether it be our Presidency, Congress, or other countries that tie their national identity with religious concepts. Religion and politics don’t mix and history is the indicator that religion and government, inter-mixed, is a recipe for disaster.

One final word on LaHaye and Jenkins; I was researching the original release date of “Left Behind” in an attempt to correlate the rise of Evangelical Christians in the States, and it does correspond almost perfectly, although I did note an oddity, which is without doubt a marketing technique which will further add to the individual wealth of both authors. Their latest book, “The Rapture,” is slated for release on 06-06-06. Take out the zeros and you have the sign of the Beast, an interesting day to release a fictional novel that offers those who “believe” a way to escape the coming Apocalypse. One thing is certain; there is a lot of money to be made on forecasting doom and gloom. Scientists have predicted that earth is in the 6th major extinction cycle, global warming is wrecking havoc on the climate, and other coincidental events heighten the fear of a world about to end. I won’t say that we aren’t in big trouble from the standpoint of nature and an extinction cycle that has occurred five (5) other times; but, I am aghast at those who use science and fear to line their own pockets, all the while affecting international politics with their stories of doom and gloom while they attempt to divide the earth into two distinct groups, good and evil. Unfortunately, it’s never that simple!

I am not the only one to recognize the danger of mixing religion with politics, and Madeleine Albright made the point quite well on CNN:

Albright fears Bush’s faith in God

LONDON, England (Reuters) — U.S. President George W. Bush has alienated Muslims around the world by using absolutist Christian rhetoric to discuss foreign policy issues, former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright says.

“I worked for two presidents who were men of faith, and they did not make their religious views part of American policy,” she said, referring to Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton, both Democrats and Christians.

“President Bush’s certitude about what he believes in, and the division between good and evil, is, I think, different,” said Albright, who has just published a book on religion and world affairs. “The absolute truth is what makes Bush so worrying to some of us.”

Bush, a Republican, has openly acknowledged his Christian faith informs his decisions as president. He says, for example, that he prayed to God for guidance before invading Iraq.

Some Muslims have accused him of waging a crusade against Islam, comparable with those of the Middle Ages. The White House says it has nothing against Islam, but against those who commit terrorist atrocities in its name.

But Albright says Bush’s religious absolutism has made U.S. foreign policy “more rigid and more difficult for other countries to accept.” http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/05/22/albright.bush.reut/index.html – This link no longer works.

NOTE: Again, as I am attempting to edit this article, I found that CNN has lost or destroyed this story; the original may be out there somewhere in cyberspace, however I haven’t been able to find it in the CNN archives. The above post is verbatim from CNN’s original article, and I did find other references that substantiate the above story: Albright: Bush is alienating Muslims

The facts presented in this essay are nothing more than a historical representation of the Antichrist myth, and one thing we all know is that history doesn’t lie, and like it or not, tends to repeat itself on a regular basis. If you look at the truly “evil” people or governments that were labeled as the Antichrist, in almost every case, those governments or people were eventually defeated. Beginning with Antiochus IV, then Nero, Stalin, Benito Mussolini, and Adolph Hitler. There are others, far too numerous to mention, but the point is that when the world identifies a specific individual or government as the Antichrist, history has demonstrated that they were eventually defeated. Americans, and world perception of our country has changed dramatically in the last five years as indicated by the article below:

World opinion of U.S. sinking
Dislike of everything American on the rise

Wednesday, May 17, 2006
By David Wood
Newhouse News Service

WASHINGTON — The United States has often irritated the rest of the world, but lately it’s gotten worse — and more dangerous.

In increasing numbers, people around the globe resent American power and wealth and reject specific actions like the occupation of Iraq and the campaign against democratically elected Palestinian leaders, in-depth international polling shows.

Analysts say America’s image problem is pervasive, deep and perhaps permanent, an inevitable outcome of being the world’s only superpower.

But there is worse news. In the past, while Europeans, Asians and Arabs might have disliked American policies or specific U.S. leaders, they liked and admired Americans themselves.

Polls now show an ominous turn. Majorities around the world think Americans are greedy, violent and rude, and fewer than half in countries like Poland, Spain, Canada, China and Russia think Americans are honest.

“We found a rising antipathy toward Americans,” said Bruce Stokes of the Pew Global Attitudes Project, which interviewed 93,000 people in 50 countries over a four-year span. LINK

One cannot fail to recognize the effect of religiosity on world politics. Pope John Paul II was credited with the fall of The Soviet Union: “His early reign was marked by his opposition to Communism, and he is often credited as one of the forces which brought about its fall. Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev once said the collapse of the Iron Curtain would have been impossible without John Paul II. LINK

Now the Papacy is at odds with the Chinese Government, as the Catholic Church continues its onward march to extend its reach to every corner of the earth. Millions of Muslims are convinced there is a “War against Islam” which was first presented by radical elements in the Islamic world, and are now being adopted by many of those who didn’t condone the more radical elements of Islam. Other religious factions are fighting throughout the world as well. Right-wing Christian fanatics in the US claim there is a “War against Christianity.” In simple words, the world has entered another period of heightened religiosity, and we have learned from history that such periods can be catastrophic in its toll on human life, and this time the world has weapons that have the capability of ending all life on earth as we know it.


The United States and the world stand on a precipice – one that has been foretold by past historic events, only this time, the wise can look back upon history and see where the world is heading and possibly take measures to thwart a catastrophe that is being brought-on by religious beliefs rather than valid world issues. I doubt that even we could change the tide of history, but with some careful thought and examination of historical records, a wise and thoughtful President and Congress would immediately discontinue using religion to tout their beliefs and back-off policies and statements that could ultimately add to the perception that the United States is the rising Antichrist. Once the world perceives us to be the Antichrist, history is rife of instances where even the most powerful have been brought-down by the myth of the Antichrist.

William J. Cormier

* Dispensationalism is a conceptual overview and interpretive framework for understanding the overall flow of the Bible. As a branch of Christian theology, it teaches biblical history as a number of successive economies or administrations under God known as “dispensations” and emphasizes the continuity of the Old Testament covenants God made with His chosen people through Abraham, Moses and King David. Dispensationalist Christian eschatology emphasizes a premillennial futurist view of prophecy of the “end times” and a pretribulation view of the rapture (although recently this pretribulation rapture has been questioned by some and there is no “official” dispensational view).

Dispensationalism stands in contrast to Covenant Theology in understanding the Bible. Regarding the theological status of modern Jewish people, dispensationalism rejects supersessionism (also referred to as Replacement Theology); hence many dispensationalists believe in restorationism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispensationalism

Other articles of interest that demonstrate radical evangelical Christianity is a danger to all in the United States and the world!

Evangelical Christians make a mockery out of Religion!

Radical Islam and the Religious-Right, Bent on World Destruction

In spite of scientific evidence – End of Days is desired by Christian-Right

Rick Warren – One of America’s most Dangerous Preachers – Updated

Left Behind & End of Days

Further, the United States was never meant to be a “Christian Nation” as radical Evangelical’s would have you believe. There is a distinct separation of church and state that the courts have recognized – and even so by the United States government. This was a post by a member of the Blue Lemur Political forum:

Well that was easy thanks to Wikipedia

Article 11

The Treaty is notable for Article 11, from Joel Barlow’s English translation, which reads:

“As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.”

Article 11 has been a point of contention regarding the proper interpretation of the doctrine of separation of church and state. It is generally considered as confirmation that the government of the United States was specifically intended to be religiously neutral. The United States Constitution specifically states that treaties with foreign powers have the force of law.

In 1930, there was contention that the existent original Arabic version of Article was gibberish and that the original Article 11 was not an article at all, but a letter from the Dey of Algiers to the Pasha of Tripoli. This contention arises from the declaration within this article that the United States was never founded as a Christian nation. Nevertheless it is established that Joel Barlow’s English translation of Article 11, as recorded in the certified copy of January 4, 1797, is contained in the version of the treaty that was approved by President John Adams and Secretary of State Timothy Pickering and ratified by the Senate.

There exists an additional certified copy of the original Arabic Treaty made by James Cathcart. This copy confirms that Article 11 was not a part of the Arabic original, but was for some reason revised in the English translation that was ultimately ratified.

The Treaty was broken in 1801 by the Pasha of Tripoli and renegotiated in 1805 after the First Barbary War, at which time Article 11 was removed.

The significance of this article that is often overlooked or ignored is that it stated categorically that the United States of America is not founded upon the Christian religion, and that this treaty, with that statement intact, was read before and passed unanimously by the United States Senate, and was signed by the President of the United States without a hint of controversy or discord, and remains the earliest and most definitive statement from the United States Senate and the President of the United States, on the secular nature of American government.
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Another quality post by Surreal… Original post with links: LINK

FOOTNOTE: While editing this article because of format changes when it was originally written, I have found numerous instances where Wikipedia has been changed and/or edited. CNN has deleted or lost articles from their archives; this is one article written almost three years ago, however, when you add-up the differences, albeit subtle, it indicates that our history is still being re-written, and whether it’s being accomplished by government propagandists or simply people loyal to the Bush administration, the disservice to the public is monumental, and the historical record(s) must be recognized and preserved at all costs. I quoted Wikipedia on numerous occasions in writing the original essay, however, future works will not include these same references. To me, it appears that Wikipedia is being used as a propaganda tool; anyone that researches any given subject, especially as it pertains to the Bush Presidency, must be careful they aren’t quoting propaganda rather then the facts – and every days it’s becoming harder and harder to discern truth from fiction.

The original Timestamp on this essay was May 25, 2006 @ 22:35.

Footnote: This essay was published again on Op-Ed News January 17, 2008 at 09:33:04.

The comments on Op-Ed News were diverse, as they were with this publication, and can be found at this LINK.

I’ll finish off my thoughts on this subject by reprinting a comment I made on Op-Ed News, and a follow-up comment from one of the members. This has been one of the most popular Op-Eds I’ve ever written. I noted that it was voted down on “Reddit”, when just three years ago it was a hit. I believe that some of the negativity is because of the increased religiosity that still is growing in our country and on a global basis. These periods of increased religiosity have threatened mankind before, and at times, millions of innocents died in the name of God. They didn’t possess the weapons of mass destruction we routinely use to intimidate our neighbors, but like a property that is losing its value, the United States is becoming aware that many now possess the knowledge to make nuclear weapons, several of our “CLOSELY GUARDED” secrets were sold by members of the government itself. What they couldn’t steal was sold by the enemies of America, and they work within our own government.

For over two years, this subject usually received several reads per day, especially by colleges and religious organizations. I have enjoyed the diversity of people that have read this piece and hope that my final thoughts will make sense and illustrate the necessity for writing an essay of this type. My intention was never to insult true believers of any religion, but instead choose to concentrate on those that make a mockery of every doctrine they touch, perverting its teachings to suit their own greedy and twisted goals. To those I have no respect or forgiveness.

William Cormier

January 18, 2008

This has been a controversial piece since its publication

This essay was first published almost three years ago, and since then, it has received constant reads, almost on a daily basis. There are 22 or more comments on my site, and some of them are extremely well-written and display the diversity of opinion as people with a wide variance of religious beliefs add their interpretation to the subject matter.

What it indicates to me is that nothing is set in stone on this issue, it never has been, and even today, the diversity of opinion is almost beyond comprehension. It seems that to most people who read it, in almost every case, it elicits a different opinion or philosophy. One reason I chose to re-post an older article was to demonstrate that even after three years, there still isn’t a consensus of opinion that sways in any particular direction – and it’s still as controversial today as when it was initially written.

I believe that this article is a good indicator that religion and politics don’t mix, they never have, and the variances of opinion of several religious beliefs show quite definitively that religious beliefs are so varied, that even if we didn’t have a constitutionally mandated separation of church and state (Which the Bush administration ignores) clause – no matter which “faith” was chosen, there would be countless millions of people with diverse and opposing beliefs, therefore it is never “OK” to allow religion to enter politics no matter how well-intentioned the motive is, as there will always be a huge amount of people that don’t agree with whatever belief is stated simply because of the diversity of religion in America. To hold one belief over another will always result in mass discrimination and adversity throughout the population and I believe that the founding father’s of this country were well ware of that fact and tried to protect us from evolving our society in a manner that would eventually result in internal conflict and strife.

William Cormier

by Justanother (62 articles, 3 quicklinks, 141 comments) on Friday, January 18, 2008 at 9:44:07 AM

You’re right.

And the problem is exacerbated when religious zealots are motivated by the erroneous doctrines of men, which, by the way, the Christ Jesus warned us about. But Bush and the “Christian Right” cannot see the truth, and they cling to and push false doctrine and dogma to gain wealth, power and domain.

Thomas Jefferson was right, not only when he called for a “wall of separation between church and state,” but also when he said things like this:

“Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law,” and “religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God; that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship; that the legislative powers of the government reach actions only, and not opinions.”
– Thomas Jefferson

“The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter.”
— Thomas Jefferson

“Among the sayings and discourses imputed to Jesus by his biographers, I find many passages of fine imagination, correct morality, and of the most lovely benevolence; and others again of so much ignorance, so much absurdity, so much untruth, charlatanism, and imposture, as to pronounce it impossible that such contradictions should have proceeded from the same being.” — Thomas Jefferson

Jefferson was not alone, either. Many other founding fathers felt the same way.

“Who does not see that the same authority which can establish Christianity, in exclusion of all other Religions, may establish with the same ease any particular sect of Christians, in exclusion of all other sects?” — James Madison

“During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution.” — James Madison

“The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature; and if men are now sufficiently enlightened to disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and superstition, they will consider this event as an era in their history.”
— John Adams

“If we look back into history for the character of the present sects in Christianity, we shall find few that have not in their turns been persecutors, and complainers of persecution. The primitive Christians thought persecution extremely wrong in the Pagans, but practiced it on one another. The first Protestants of the Church of England blamed persecution in the Romish church, but practiced it upon the Puritans. (The Puritans) found it wrong in the Bishops (of the Church of England), but fell into the same practice themselves in New England (in America).” — Benjamin Franklin

I found those quotes on this web site:

http://reformationcomingsoon.bravehost.com

by IsaiahTruman (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 107 comments) on Friday, January 18, 2008 at 1:25:46 PM LINK



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    I think it is so sad that there are apparently so many self-loathing Jews running around out there denying the Divinely ordained resurrection of Israel as the fulfillment of the prophecy of the Valley of Dry Bones of Ezekiel 37. The modern state of Israel is the result of God’s will to restore what he once dispersed back in 70 A.D. when the Roman legions under Titus (the son of Vespasian the Emperor) sacked Jerusalem, descrated the Temple, and ushered in the long Diaspora. Nothing angers me more than to read the biased vitriol against the tiny Jewish State that is guilty of nothing but trying to survive in the midst of ravenous wolves seeking to devour it. Of course you Israel haters can deny the authenticity and Biblicality of Israel all you want, but the Israelis are here to stay and they will fight as many wars as are necessary to drive this very truth home. ;)

  • http://darklordofconservatism.com/blogcms/ Donald Baker

    I think it is so sad that there are apparently so many self-loathing Jews running around out there denying the Divinely ordained resurrection of Israel as the fulfillment of the prophecy of the Valley of Dry Bones of Ezekiel 37. The modern state of Israel is the result of God’s will to restore what he once dispersed back in 70 A.D. when the Roman legions under Titus (the son of Vespasian the Emperor) sacked Jerusalem, descrated the Temple, and ushered in the long Diaspora. Nothing angers me more than to read the biased vitriol against the tiny Jewish State that is guilty of nothing but trying to survive in the midst of ravenous wolves seeking to devour it. Of course you Israel haters can deny the authenticity and Biblicality of Israel all you want, but the Israelis are here to stay and they will fight as many wars as are necessary to drive this very truth home. ;)

  • http://theenemyshallnot.blogspot.com/ Harold Knight

    Here’s what the Bishops of the four main Christian churches in Jerusalem think of the “antichrist” and all that non-Biblical stuff:

    http://theenemyshallnot.blogspot.com/

  • http://theenemyshallnot.blogspot.com/ Harold Knight

    Here’s what the Bishops of the four main Christian churches in Jerusalem think of the “antichrist” and all that non-Biblical stuff:

    http://theenemyshallnot.blogspot.com/

  • http://john3-19.blogspot.com John

    Donald Baker:

    Maybe you have never known the real Christ. Did you ever wonder why the Prince of this world is called the Prince of “this” world?

    My Jesus said: “You have the poor with you always, but you will not always have me” Matthew 26:11

    Your Jesus said: “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me” Matthew 28:18
    “And know that I am with you always; yes, to the end of time.” Matthew 28:20

    Revelation 13:2 says: “The Dragon had handed over to it his own power and his throne and his world-wide authority.”

  • http://john3-19.blogspot.com/ John

    Donald Baker:

    Maybe you have never known the real Christ. Did you ever wonder why the Prince of this world is called the Prince of “this” world?

    My Jesus said: “You have the poor with you always, but you will not always have me” Matthew 26:11

    Your Jesus said: “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me” Matthew 28:18
    “And know that I am with you always; yes, to the end of time.” Matthew 28:20

    Revelation 13:2 says: “The Dragon had handed over to it his own power and his throne and his world-wide authority.”

  • http://darklordofconservatism.com/blogcms/ Donald Baker

    John:

    You speak of a Christ I have never known. My guess is when you stand before him at the Judgment, you’ll find out who the real Prince of Peace is. As for now, you are in darkness and unwittingly fight for the Prince of this World who is and is coming to naught. There is only one true God and Jesus is his only begotten son. I’ll pray for you John so that the demonic strongholds of thought that possess you are cast down. You, like everyone else, will one day bow down and confess Jesus King of Kings and Lord of Lords whose name there is none higher.

  • http://darklordofconservatism.com/blogcms/ Donald Baker

    John:

    You speak of a Christ I have never known. My guess is when you stand before him at the Judgment, you’ll find out who the real Prince of Peace is. As for now, you are in darkness and unwittingly fight for the Prince of this World who is and is coming to naught. There is only one true God and Jesus is his only begotten son. I’ll pray for you John so that the demonic strongholds of thought that possess you are cast down. You, like everyone else, will one day bow down and confess Jesus King of Kings and Lord of Lords whose name there is none higher.

  • http://john3-19.blogspot.com John

    Donald Baker:

    A covenant is an agreement between two parties. If one does not keep their part, the other is not obligated to keep their’s. You are right God does know who keeps his covenant and who doesn’t. You are the one who is denying the Christ that came in the flesh, by ignoring his words as recorded by those that knew him the best, his twelve chosen. Jesus is the one who denid Paul when he said:
    “Beware of false prophets who come to you disguised as sheep but underneath are ravenous wolves. You will be able to tell them by their fruits. Can people pick grapes from thorns, or figs from thistles? In the same way, a sound tree produces good fruit but a rotten tree bad fruit. A sound tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor a rotten tree bear good fruit. Any tree that does not produce good fruit is cut down and thrown on the fire. I repeat, you will be able to tell them by their fruits. It is not those that say to me ‘Lord, Lord,’ who will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the person who does the will of my Father in heaven. When that day comes many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, cast out demons in your name, work many miracles in your name?’ Then I shall tell them to their faces: I have never known you; away from me, you evil men!” Mathew 7:15-23

    Paul met the Risen Antichrist

  • http://john3-19.blogspot.com/ John

    Donald Baker:

    A covenant is an agreement between two parties. If one does not keep their part, the other is not obligated to keep their’s. You are right God does know who keeps his covenant and who doesn’t. You are the one who is denying the Christ that came in the flesh, by ignoring his words as recorded by those that knew him the best, his twelve chosen. Jesus is the one who denid Paul when he said:
    “Beware of false prophets who come to you disguised as sheep but underneath are ravenous wolves. You will be able to tell them by their fruits. Can people pick grapes from thorns, or figs from thistles? In the same way, a sound tree produces good fruit but a rotten tree bad fruit. A sound tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor a rotten tree bear good fruit. Any tree that does not produce good fruit is cut down and thrown on the fire. I repeat, you will be able to tell them by their fruits. It is not those that say to me ‘Lord, Lord,’ who will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the person who does the will of my Father in heaven. When that day comes many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, cast out demons in your name, work many miracles in your name?’ Then I shall tell them to their faces: I have never known you; away from me, you evil men!” Mathew 7:15-23

    Paul met the Risen Antichrist

  • http://www.darklordofconservatism.com/blogcms Donald Baker

    John:

    My friend you are confused, perhaps too far gone to reach, so I will no longer direct my responses in trying to correct your errors. Instead I will pray that the Lord leads you out of the twisted doctrinal chaos you are obviously in.

    I will answer your question though concerning who God sees as a Jew. Those of the circumcision (Abraham and his descendants via Sarah not Hagar) are those he sees as the Jews. Being Jewish is not just a genetic thing per se, it’s a covenantal arrangement between Abraham and God under the sign of circumcision. Abraham wasn’t born a Jew, he was actually a Chaldean from Ur so he was Babylonian ethnically. Being Jewish today means more of signing onto the covenant sworn between Abraham and Yahweh than having a last name like Levy or Goldberg etc….Jews are practicioners of the Law and their ethnicity is Hebrew which was a name given to them from their time as the slave class under the Egyptians. The Jews of today are the Askhenazim and the Sephardim peoples of Europe and Asia. Many of whom live in America as well. These are the remant leftover from the destruction of the holocaust. Those of us who do not fall into these groups are considered Gentile. Of course thousands of years of intermarriage and such blur the lines a bit so there are many who share the Jewish lineage. I assure you though, God knows who is and who isn’t a Jew.

    Similarly God knows who is and who isn’t a Christian. He knows his servants by their fruits. Christ said he was the Good Shepherd and his sheep know his voice. If that’s true, then you sir are answering the call of a strange shepherd’s voice for Paul of Tarsus was sought out by Christ himself on the road to Damascus and annointed an apostle unto the Gentiles. To deny Paul is to deny Christ, and to deny Christ is as the apostle John says “is antichrist.” Your message is indeed blasphemous for if Paul was not annointed an apostle for Christ, and if Christ is the Antichrist, then salvation is a lie and man has no hope. You have made the same mistake as the Pharisees and the Sadducees who thought Christ cast out demons by Beelzebub. What you believe is an abomination and perversion of the truth and I fear there are others associated with you who subscribe to similar views.

    Finally, your interpretation of the 144,000 Christian/Jews is as consistently skewed as your previous interpretations. I assure you there are more than 144,000 Christian Jews on the earth right now as we speak, but the special characteristic the 144,000 you are missing is that they are virgins “having not been defiled by woman.” So the 144,000 are all men and virgins. I don’t think God is a sexist do you? These 144,000 are going to fulfill a similar role as that of the Levite priests from the OT. They are not any holier than anyone, just sexually pure and commissioned to prophesy (preach) against the Antichrist and his world government. I only mention these things so that anyone reading JAC’s blog might get a more accurate assessment of the terms you, John, have been brandishing about. I do this for the babes in Christ who might become confused by your twisted theology.

  • http://www.darklordofconservatism.com/blogcms Donald Baker

    John:

    My friend you are confused, perhaps too far gone to reach, so I will no longer direct my responses in trying to correct your errors. Instead I will pray that the Lord leads you out of the twisted doctrinal chaos you are obviously in.

    I will answer your question though concerning who God sees as a Jew. Those of the circumcision (Abraham and his descendants via Sarah not Hagar) are those he sees as the Jews. Being Jewish is not just a genetic thing per se, it’s a covenantal arrangement between Abraham and God under the sign of circumcision. Abraham wasn’t born a Jew, he was actually a Chaldean from Ur so he was Babylonian ethnically. Being Jewish today means more of signing onto the covenant sworn between Abraham and Yahweh than having a last name like Levy or Goldberg etc….Jews are practicioners of the Law and their ethnicity is Hebrew which was a name given to them from their time as the slave class under the Egyptians. The Jews of today are the Askhenazim and the Sephardim peoples of Europe and Asia. Many of whom live in America as well. These are the remant leftover from the destruction of the holocaust. Those of us who do not fall into these groups are considered Gentile. Of course thousands of years of intermarriage and such blur the lines a bit so there are many who share the Jewish lineage. I assure you though, God knows who is and who isn’t a Jew.

    Similarly God knows who is and who isn’t a Christian. He knows his servants by their fruits. Christ said he was the Good Shepherd and his sheep know his voice. If that’s true, then you sir are answering the call of a strange shepherd’s voice for Paul of Tarsus was sought out by Christ himself on the road to Damascus and annointed an apostle unto the Gentiles. To deny Paul is to deny Christ, and to deny Christ is as the apostle John says “is antichrist.” Your message is indeed blasphemous for if Paul was not annointed an apostle for Christ, and if Christ is the Antichrist, then salvation is a lie and man has no hope. You have made the same mistake as the Pharisees and the Sadducees who thought Christ cast out demons by Beelzebub. What you believe is an abomination and perversion of the truth and I fear there are others associated with you who subscribe to similar views.

    Finally, your interpretation of the 144,000 Christian/Jews is as consistently skewed as your previous interpretations. I assure you there are more than 144,000 Christian Jews on the earth right now as we speak, but the special characteristic the 144,000 you are missing is that they are virgins “having not been defiled by woman.” So the 144,000 are all men and virgins. I don’t think God is a sexist do you? These 144,000 are going to fulfill a similar role as that of the Levite priests from the OT. They are not any holier than anyone, just sexually pure and commissioned to prophesy (preach) against the Antichrist and his world government. I only mention these things so that anyone reading JAC’s blog might get a more accurate assessment of the terms you, John, have been brandishing about. I do this for the babes in Christ who might become confused by your twisted theology.

  • http://john3-19.blogspot.com/ John

    Donald Baker:

    First of all let me say that you won’t get anywhere with me by quoting Paul, remember I think he is the false phrophet. You would also do well to stay away from Mark and Luke since they didn’’ know Jesus intimetly like the twelve.

    You say “Jesus cursed the fig tree when he entered Jerusalem because it bore no fruit. That was symbolic of Isreal not bearing fruit as the light unto the Gentiles.” The fig tree also withered. Is it too much to assume that the fig tree also died and does that mean that Isreal died and no longer exist? And did Jesus kill Isreal? No Donald, I can read too much into a story as well as anyone. The fig tree that withered is symbolic of “any tree that does not produce good fruit.” Mattew 7:19 It refers to false phrophets.
    The parable of the fig tree refers to “when you see all these thing: know that he is near, at the very gates. I tell you solemnly before this (his not ours) generation has passed away all of these things will have taken place. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away” Matthew 24:33-35

    You didn’t answer my question as to “who do you think that God sees as a Jew?” I could easily make a case that there as many, if not more, people in the world that are as genetically as Jewish as anyone who calls himself a Jew, but since he might be Christian you wouldn’t know it. God does not see things the way we do. For all we know there may not yet be a true nation of Isreal, only a superficial one. The true nation of Isreal may still be dispersed abroad. Remeber there are only going to be 144,000 sealed, so there could easily be 144,000 Christian/Jews who worship God in spirit and truth and keep God’s commandment to endure trials and that would not be Replacement Theology.

  • http://john3-19.blogspot.com John

    Donald Baker:

    First of all let me say that you won’t get anywhere with me by quoting Paul, remember I think he is the false phrophet. You would also do well to stay away from Mark and Luke since they didn’’ know Jesus intimetly like the twelve.

    You say “Jesus cursed the fig tree when he entered Jerusalem because it bore no fruit. That was symbolic of Isreal not bearing fruit as the light unto the Gentiles.” The fig tree also withered. Is it too much to assume that the fig tree also died and does that mean that Isreal died and no longer exist? And did Jesus kill Isreal? No Donald, I can read too much into a story as well as anyone. The fig tree that withered is symbolic of “any tree that does not produce good fruit.” Mattew 7:19 It refers to false phrophets.
    The parable of the fig tree refers to “when you see all these thing: know that he is near, at the very gates. I tell you solemnly before this (his not ours) generation has passed away all of these things will have taken place. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away” Matthew 24:33-35

    You didn’t answer my question as to “who do you think that God sees as a Jew?” I could easily make a case that there as many, if not more, people in the world that are as genetically as Jewish as anyone who calls himself a Jew, but since he might be Christian you wouldn’t know it. God does not see things the way we do. For all we know there may not yet be a true nation of Isreal, only a superficial one. The true nation of Isreal may still be dispersed abroad. Remeber there are only going to be 144,000 sealed, so there could easily be 144,000 Christian/Jews who worship God in spirit and truth and keep God’s commandment to endure trials and that would not be Replacement Theology.

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  • http://www.darklordofconservatism.com/blogcms Donald Baker

    “You are so engrossed in your worldly and traditional views that you are blind. The idea that Isreal is the fig tree is not biblical.”

    Ah but John Jesus cursed the fig tree when he entered Jerusalem because it bore no fruit. That was symbolic of Israel not bearing fruit as the light unto the Gentiles. Whenever Jesus speaks of fig trees, he is speaking of Israel. I hope you don’t subscribe to the Replacement Theology that says the Church replaced Israel in God’s salvation plan. This is not true for both Israel and the Church are equal partners in the mystery of salvation. What is the truth is that Israel was pruned from the tree to make room for the grafting of the Gentiles into the family of God as Paul expressly writes in Romans 11 that the Jews were cast off the tree because of unbelief, and the Gentiles grafted back in their place due to their faith….yet Paul goes on to say the Jews would be grafted back in again….it is written in verse 25:

    “For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.”

    And in verse 26:

    “And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: ‘The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob; For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins.'”

    God is not done with Israel by a long shot. He still has a covenant with them and he is determined that they fulfill their end of the agreement. Israel is still to be a light unto the nations at the end of the age, yet it must endure a season of suffering as God procures a remnant of servants from which he can mold the nation he so desires. The holocaust was not by accident, it was God’s way of purging a backsliding and unbelieving people to procure a strong and holy remnant that could buildup the nation of Israel. Hitler was the modern equivalent of Pharaoh or Nebuchadnezzar the rulers God used in the OT to punish the Children of Israel when they fell away from him. Yet God only admonishes and rebukes those he loves, and God’s rebukes are never in vain. This is why Jesus rebuked the fig tree because he wanted it to bear fruit so badly. It also served as a warning to the Israelites that they too could be struck down if they did not fulfill their destiny. Yet we know in the end, God will reforge the nation of Israel (we are now seeing it) and David will once again take his throne as Israel reclaims its place at the head of the table of nations (Ezekiel 34:23-24). So don’t write off Israel yet. ;)

  • http://www.darklordofconservatism.com/blogcms Donald Baker

    “You are so engrossed in your worldly and traditional views that you are blind. The idea that Isreal is the fig tree is not biblical.”

    Ah but John Jesus cursed the fig tree when he entered Jerusalem because it bore no fruit. That was symbolic of Israel not bearing fruit as the light unto the Gentiles. Whenever Jesus speaks of fig trees, he is speaking of Israel. I hope you don’t subscribe to the Replacement Theology that says the Church replaced Israel in God’s salvation plan. This is not true for both Israel and the Church are equal partners in the mystery of salvation. What is the truth is that Israel was pruned from the tree to make room for the grafting of the Gentiles into the family of God as Paul expressly writes in Romans 11 that the Jews were cast off the tree because of unbelief, and the Gentiles grafted back in their place due to their faith….yet Paul goes on to say the Jews would be grafted back in again….it is written in verse 25:

    “For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.”

    And in verse 26:

    “And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: ‘The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob; For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins.'”

    God is not done with Israel by a long shot. He still has a covenant with them and he is determined that they fulfill their end of the agreement. Israel is still to be a light unto the nations at the end of the age, yet it must endure a season of suffering as God procures a remnant of servants from which he can mold the nation he so desires. The holocaust was not by accident, it was God’s way of purging a backsliding and unbelieving people to procure a strong and holy remnant that could buildup the nation of Israel. Hitler was the modern equivalent of Pharaoh or Nebuchadnezzar the rulers God used in the OT to punish the Children of Israel when they fell away from him. Yet God only admonishes and rebukes those he loves, and God’s rebukes are never in vain. This is why Jesus rebuked the fig tree because he wanted it to bear fruit so badly. It also served as a warning to the Israelites that they too could be struck down if they did not fulfill their destiny. Yet we know in the end, God will reforge the nation of Israel (we are now seeing it) and David will once again take his throne as Israel reclaims its place at the head of the table of nations (Ezekiel 34:23-24). So don’t write off Israel yet. ;)

  • http://john3-19.blogspot.com John

    Donald Baker:

    You are so engrossed in your worldly and traditional views that you are blind. The idea that Isreal is the fig tree is not biblical.

    “You will listen and listen again, but not understand, see and see again, but not percieve. For the heart of this nation has grown course, their ears are dull from hearing, and they have shut their eyes, for fear they should see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their heart, and be converted and be healed by me.” Isaiah 42:1-4, Matthew 13:14-15

    “This people honors me only with lip service, while their hearts are far from me. The worship they offer me is wothless; the doctrines the teach are only human regulations.” Isaiah 29:13, Matthew 15:8-9

    Who do think that God sees as a Jew?

    (A) Someone who labels himselfe as a Jew? Keep in mind that by current polls most Jews only consider themselves as secular and not religious Jews.

    (B) Someone who has the genetic markers of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob? Keep in mind that many early Christians were converted Jews and that later many Christians and Jews converted to Islam.

    (C) Those who worship God in spirit and truth and keep God’s commandment to endure trials?
    “But the hour will come—in fact it is here already—when true worshiper will worship the Father in spirit and truth: that is the kind of worshiper the Father wants. God is spirit, and those who worship must worship in spirit and truth.” John 4:23-24
    “Now I am going to make the synagoge of Satan—those who profess to be Jews, but are liars, because they are no such thing—I will make them come and fall at your feet and admit that you are the people that I love. Because you kept my commandment to endure trials, I will keep you safe in the time of trial which is going to come for the whole world to test the people of the world.” Revelation 3:9-10

    Revelation 22:18 only applies to the book of Revelation. The rest of the Bible you need to decern what is true and what is false and what you accept and reject is what you will be judged by.

    “Enter by the narrow gate, since the road that leads to perdition is wide and spacious, and many take it; but it is a narrow gate and a hard road that leads to life, and only a few find it.” Matthew 7:13-14
    “the coming of the Son of Man will be like lightning striking in the east and flashing far into the west. Wherever the corpse is (Isreal) there will the vultures gather.” Mathew 24:27-28

  • http://john3-19.blogspot.com/ John

    Donald Baker:

    You are so engrossed in your worldly and traditional views that you are blind. The idea that Isreal is the fig tree is not biblical.

    “You will listen and listen again, but not understand, see and see again, but not percieve. For the heart of this nation has grown course, their ears are dull from hearing, and they have shut their eyes, for fear they should see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their heart, and be converted and be healed by me.” Isaiah 42:1-4, Matthew 13:14-15

    “This people honors me only with lip service, while their hearts are far from me. The worship they offer me is wothless; the doctrines the teach are only human regulations.” Isaiah 29:13, Matthew 15:8-9

    Who do think that God sees as a Jew?

    (A) Someone who labels himselfe as a Jew? Keep in mind that by current polls most Jews only consider themselves as secular and not religious Jews.

    (B) Someone who has the genetic markers of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob? Keep in mind that many early Christians were converted Jews and that later many Christians and Jews converted to Islam.

    (C) Those who worship God in spirit and truth and keep God’s commandment to endure trials?
    “But the hour will come—in fact it is here already—when true worshiper will worship the Father in spirit and truth: that is the kind of worshiper the Father wants. God is spirit, and those who worship must worship in spirit and truth.” John 4:23-24
    “Now I am going to make the synagoge of Satan—those who profess to be Jews, but are liars, because they are no such thing—I will make them come and fall at your feet and admit that you are the people that I love. Because you kept my commandment to endure trials, I will keep you safe in the time of trial which is going to come for the whole world to test the people of the world.” Revelation 3:9-10

    Revelation 22:18 only applies to the book of Revelation. The rest of the Bible you need to decern what is true and what is false and what you accept and reject is what you will be judged by.

    “Enter by the narrow gate, since the road that leads to perdition is wide and spacious, and many take it; but it is a narrow gate and a hard road that leads to life, and only a few find it.” Matthew 7:13-14
    “the coming of the Son of Man will be like lightning striking in the east and flashing far into the west. Wherever the corpse is (Isreal) there will the vultures gather.” Mathew 24:27-28

  • http://www.darklordofconservatism.com/blogcms Donald Baker

    John:

    You are correct when you say that the book of Daniel was sealed when the visions were given to him. It also says that the book will be unsealed until the end in 12:9 and that the wicked would do wickedly and none of the wicked will understand, but the wise shall understand (12:10). Now fast forward to Jesus’s time when he gave the Parable of the Fig Tree in Matthew 24:32-34:
    “Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near–at the doors! Assuredly, I say unto you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place.”

    The things Christ are referring to are the signs of the end of the age. For the record, the fig tree traditionally represents Israel, so where ever you see fig tree in this parable, replace it with Israel to understand it more fully. Christ explicitly states that the generation that sees these things will not pass away before he returns (the parousia). The creation of the nation of Israel in 1948 began the last generation as the fig tree was planted. It grew in 1953 and then sprouted forth its leaves in 1967 when it acquired the Golan Heights, the Gaza Strip, and the West Bank including Jerusalem. The rise of Israel fulfills the prophecies of Ezekiel 37 (The Valley of Dry Bones). Israel’s restoration is the biggest sign to date that the end of the age is very near. So the wise shall understand these things as they witness the signs foretold them by Ezekiel and Jesus. Once again you have to read the Bible as a whole or you can miss important things. Daniel’s vision was sealed up and preserved for the last generation, but now as the signs are unfolding, it is being unlocked.

    The current war on terror is the beginnings of the ultimate struggle for the souls of men. It is the catalyst that will lead to world government as people will clamor for security and look to a strong world leader to provide it. America, sadly, is not assigned that role in scripture. Perhaps Bush’s strategy in the Middle East will not lead to regional democratization as he had hoped, but instead will lead to the radicalization of Islam and a third world war as the Christian West will square off against the Muslim East. America’s prestige will sink and the European Union will step in and replace America as the world’s political leader. Israel will seek to make an alliance with the EU for security against the Pan-Arab/Muslim forces encircling it. I don’t think this is too far a stretch in lieu of the current situation in Lebanon and Europe’s impending involvement in the multi-national peace keeping force being deployed there.

    One last thing, John, that I wish to address. You said I was reading scripture from a worldly perspective. Indeed I am. The scriptures were written for the world and serve to inform the world of its fate. But there are layers of knowledge in the scriptures and these are spiritually discerned…hence “only the wise will understand.” God doesn’t inspire men to write words that are so esoteric that the simple and humble cannot understand them. Rather his words are written in such a way that careful study and fervent prayer will allow any man or woman to learn what God has in store for humanity. The danger is when we complicate our reading of scripture by reading into (exogesis) rather than reading from (exegesis) the written word. When we seek to impose celestial and mystical meanings to scripture, we run the risk of adding to or taking away from God’s word and that is expressly forbidden scripturally in Revelation 22:18. The greater sin is when we are called to preach and we preach not the salvation as according to Christ but a message we crafted from our own understanding and pride…..this leads to the confusion of the unlearned which may cause them to stumble in their salvation…..if we as Christians do this, we are guilty of a far greater sin. ;)

  • http://www.darklordofconservatism.com/blogcms Donald Baker

    John:

    You are correct when you say that the book of Daniel was sealed when the visions were given to him. It also says that the book will be unsealed until the end in 12:9 and that the wicked would do wickedly and none of the wicked will understand, but the wise shall understand (12:10). Now fast forward to Jesus’s time when he gave the Parable of the Fig Tree in Matthew 24:32-34:
    “Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near–at the doors! Assuredly, I say unto you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place.”

    The things Christ are referring to are the signs of the end of the age. For the record, the fig tree traditionally represents Israel, so where ever you see fig tree in this parable, replace it with Israel to understand it more fully. Christ explicitly states that the generation that sees these things will not pass away before he returns (the parousia). The creation of the nation of Israel in 1948 began the last generation as the fig tree was planted. It grew in 1953 and then sprouted forth its leaves in 1967 when it acquired the Golan Heights, the Gaza Strip, and the West Bank including Jerusalem. The rise of Israel fulfills the prophecies of Ezekiel 37 (The Valley of Dry Bones). Israel’s restoration is the biggest sign to date that the end of the age is very near. So the wise shall understand these things as they witness the signs foretold them by Ezekiel and Jesus. Once again you have to read the Bible as a whole or you can miss important things. Daniel’s vision was sealed up and preserved for the last generation, but now as the signs are unfolding, it is being unlocked.

    The current war on terror is the beginnings of the ultimate struggle for the souls of men. It is the catalyst that will lead to world government as people will clamor for security and look to a strong world leader to provide it. America, sadly, is not assigned that role in scripture. Perhaps Bush’s strategy in the Middle East will not lead to regional democratization as he had hoped, but instead will lead to the radicalization of Islam and a third world war as the Christian West will square off against the Muslim East. America’s prestige will sink and the European Union will step in and replace America as the world’s political leader. Israel will seek to make an alliance with the EU for security against the Pan-Arab/Muslim forces encircling it. I don’t think this is too far a stretch in lieu of the current situation in Lebanon and Europe’s impending involvement in the multi-national peace keeping force being deployed there.

    One last thing, John, that I wish to address. You said I was reading scripture from a worldly perspective. Indeed I am. The scriptures were written for the world and serve to inform the world of its fate. But there are layers of knowledge in the scriptures and these are spiritually discerned…hence “only the wise will understand.” God doesn’t inspire men to write words that are so esoteric that the simple and humble cannot understand them. Rather his words are written in such a way that careful study and fervent prayer will allow any man or woman to learn what God has in store for humanity. The danger is when we complicate our reading of scripture by reading into (exogesis) rather than reading from (exegesis) the written word. When we seek to impose celestial and mystical meanings to scripture, we run the risk of adding to or taking away from God’s word and that is expressly forbidden scripturally in Revelation 22:18. The greater sin is when we are called to preach and we preach not the salvation as according to Christ but a message we crafted from our own understanding and pride…..this leads to the confusion of the unlearned which may cause them to stumble in their salvation…..if we as Christians do this, we are guilty of a far greater sin. ;)

  • http://john3-19.blogspot.com John

    Donald Baker:

    Thank you for the correction, you are right it is chapter 13 and not 12. However you are interpreting scripture in a worldly way. Keep in mind that the book of Daniel is sealed.

    “’Daniel,’ he said, ‘go away: these words are to remain secret and sealed until the time of the end. Many will be cleansed, made white and purged; the wicked will go on doing wrong; the wicked will never understand; the learned will understand. Daniel 12:9-11

    “At that time Michael will stand up, the great prince who mounts guard over your people. There is going to be a time of great distress, unparalleled since nations first came into existance. When that time comes, your own people will be spared, all those whose names are found written in the Book. Of those who lie sleeping in the dust of the earth many will awake, some to everlasting life, some to shame and everlasting disgrace. The learned will shine as brightly as the vault of heaven, and those who have instructed many in virtue, as bright as stars for all eternity. But you, Daniel, must keep these words secret and the book sealed until the time of the End. Many will wander this way and that, and wickedness will go on increasing.” Daniel 12:1-4

    You might want to check out my blog at http://john3-19.blogspot.com/ for further information on my views.

  • http://john3-19.blogspot.com/ John

    Donald Baker:

    Thank you for the correction, you are right it is chapter 13 and not 12. However you are interpreting scripture in a worldly way. Keep in mind that the book of Daniel is sealed.

    “’Daniel,’ he said, ‘go away: these words are to remain secret and sealed until the time of the end. Many will be cleansed, made white and purged; the wicked will go on doing wrong; the wicked will never understand; the learned will understand. Daniel 12:9-11

    “At that time Michael will stand up, the great prince who mounts guard over your people. There is going to be a time of great distress, unparalleled since nations first came into existance. When that time comes, your own people will be spared, all those whose names are found written in the Book. Of those who lie sleeping in the dust of the earth many will awake, some to everlasting life, some to shame and everlasting disgrace. The learned will shine as brightly as the vault of heaven, and those who have instructed many in virtue, as bright as stars for all eternity. But you, Daniel, must keep these words secret and the book sealed until the time of the End. Many will wander this way and that, and wickedness will go on increasing.” Daniel 12:1-4

    You might want to check out my blog at http://john3-19.blogspot.com/ for further information on my views.

  • http://www.darklordofconservatism.com/blogcms Donald Baker

    John:

    You seem like an intelligent person, but you are clearly misreading scripture perhaps on purpose. First off the description of the Beast from the sea is in chapter 13 not chapter 12. The Beast represents world government in its various manifestations. In 13:2 it says: “Now the beast I saw was like unto a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like that of a lion. The Dragon gave him his power, his throne, and great authority.”

    Okay, if you will recall from the Book of Daniel, he described a similar vision as that of John of Patmos. Daniel had a vision of four beasts in Chapter 7. Paraphrasing the verses….Daniel saw first a lion with eagle’s wings who then stood upright like a man, next he saw a bear that was raised up on one side and had three ribs in its mouth, then he saw a beast like unto a leopard with four wings and four heads, and the last beast was “exceedingly strong” and was different from the other beasts that preceded it. These four beasts are revealed to be four world empires…in order of appearance: 1. Babylon 2. Media-Persia 3. Greece 4. Rome. Rome is the important beast for it is written in 7:23-25:
    “Thus he said:

    ‘The fourth beast shall be
    A fourth kingdom on earth,
    Which shall be different from all other
    kingdoms,
    And shall devour the whole earth,
    Trample it and break it in pieces.
    The ten horns are ten kings
    Who shall arise from this kingdom.
    And another shall rise after them;
    He shall be different from the first ones,
    And shall subdue three kings.
    He shall speak pompous words against the
    Most High,
    Shall persecute the saints of the Most High,
    And shall intend to change times and law.
    Then the saints shall be given into his hand
    For a time and times and half a time.'”

    So from OT writings and symbols, horns represent kings. Daniel’s vision goes on to inform us another little horn will come after the first ten horns and will be different from them….namely his power will not be from politics so we can deduce his power comes from religion. Since this little horn speaks pompous words, he will no doubt be an apostate of some kind.

    Now tying it together, the Beast from the sea in Revelation is the same as the fourth Beast of Daniel. Rome was the first incarnation of this beast, and the European Union is the second incarnation having all of the qualities of the previous world empires (i.e. the leopard, bear, and lion). Ten leaders formed the Euroean Union (in one hour they gave their authority unto the beast). So the ten horns represent ten world leaders who form a confederation (the EU). Your interpretation is way off the mark in so many ways. The seven heads represent the seven hills of a city…..Rome. The Dragon that gives this beast its power is none other than Satan. So basically you have misread the whole prophecy because you didn’t read the Bible as a whole and compare the two visions of Daniel and John who saw the same thing.

  • http://www.darklordofconservatism.com/blogcms Donald Baker

    John:

    You seem like an intelligent person, but you are clearly misreading scripture perhaps on purpose. First off the description of the Beast from the sea is in chapter 13 not chapter 12. The Beast represents world government in its various manifestations. In 13:2 it says: “Now the beast I saw was like unto a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like that of a lion. The Dragon gave him his power, his throne, and great authority.”

    Okay, if you will recall from the Book of Daniel, he described a similar vision as that of John of Patmos. Daniel had a vision of four beasts in Chapter 7. Paraphrasing the verses….Daniel saw first a lion with eagle’s wings who then stood upright like a man, next he saw a bear that was raised up on one side and had three ribs in its mouth, then he saw a beast like unto a leopard with four wings and four heads, and the last beast was “exceedingly strong” and was different from the other beasts that preceded it. These four beasts are revealed to be four world empires…in order of appearance: 1. Babylon 2. Media-Persia 3. Greece 4. Rome. Rome is the important beast for it is written in 7:23-25:
    “Thus he said:

    ‘The fourth beast shall be
    A fourth kingdom on earth,
    Which shall be different from all other
    kingdoms,
    And shall devour the whole earth,
    Trample it and break it in pieces.
    The ten horns are ten kings
    Who shall arise from this kingdom.
    And another shall rise after them;
    He shall be different from the first ones,
    And shall subdue three kings.
    He shall speak pompous words against the
    Most High,
    Shall persecute the saints of the Most High,
    And shall intend to change times and law.
    Then the saints shall be given into his hand
    For a time and times and half a time.'”

    So from OT writings and symbols, horns represent kings. Daniel’s vision goes on to inform us another little horn will come after the first ten horns and will be different from them….namely his power will not be from politics so we can deduce his power comes from religion. Since this little horn speaks pompous words, he will no doubt be an apostate of some kind.

    Now tying it together, the Beast from the sea in Revelation is the same as the fourth Beast of Daniel. Rome was the first incarnation of this beast, and the European Union is the second incarnation having all of the qualities of the previous world empires (i.e. the leopard, bear, and lion). Ten leaders formed the Euroean Union (in one hour they gave their authority unto the beast). So the ten horns represent ten world leaders who form a confederation (the EU). Your interpretation is way off the mark in so many ways. The seven heads represent the seven hills of a city…..Rome. The Dragon that gives this beast its power is none other than Satan. So basically you have misread the whole prophecy because you didn’t read the Bible as a whole and compare the two visions of Daniel and John who saw the same thing.

  • http://john3-19.blogspot.com John

    Donald Baker;

    The Antichrist is not wounded in the head.
    “Then I saw a beast emerge from the sea: it had seven heads and ten horns” Revelations 13:1.
    “I saw that one of its heads seemed to have had a fatal wound but that this deadly injury had been healed and, after that, the whole world had marveled and followed the beast.” Revelations 12:3
    The seven heads and ten horns represents the many forms that the Risen Christ had appeared, one of which had a fatal wound to the side. Wounds to the hands and feet are not fatal.

  • http://john3-19.blogspot.com/ John

    Donald Baker;

    The Antichrist is not wounded in the head.
    “Then I saw a beast emerge from the sea: it had seven heads and ten horns” Revelations 13:1.
    “I saw that one of its heads seemed to have had a fatal wound but that this deadly injury had been healed and, after that, the whole world had marveled and followed the beast.” Revelations 12:3
    The seven heads and ten horns represents the many forms that the Risen Christ had appeared, one of which had a fatal wound to the side. Wounds to the hands and feet are not fatal.

  • http://justanothercoverup.com Bill

    First of all, you assume by your faith that the Bible is correct – and as far as I know, it very well may be. It may also be the creation of man rather than of God. None of us will really know until we are dead.

    Religion is a blessing to many in the world that finds solace in its teachings and uses it as a guide for their lives. By the same token, many become so involved, they can no longer see the forest through the trees and believe their particular brand of faith transcends all others – and to state that is an insult to all of the other religions that flourish in this world. It becomes even worse when they attempt to force their morals and beliefs on the majority – thus infringing on their personal rights and also insulting those of other faiths.

    Religion is the balm to those who can lean on it responsibly, but when it becomes all-consuming, radicalized so to speak, I liken it to an incurable disease, one that has killed more human beings than all of the natural disasters and plagues that have so far been released on mankind. Where is the difference between Radical Islam and Radical Evangelical Christianity? Just because radical Christians wear suits and ties and murder by enlisting others to do their dirty deeds does not make them better than radical Islamic extremists that turn themselves into living bombs. Both are wrong – and just because you can kill without actually becoming personally involved in the fight yourself doesn’t necessarily make you any better than the man that does the killing up close and personal. Murder is murder – no matter how you sugarcoat it or package it for the masses.

  • http://justanothercoverup.com/ Bill

    First of all, you assume by your faith that the Bible is correct – and as far as I know, it very well may be. It may also be the creation of man rather than of God. None of us will really know until we are dead.

    Religion is a blessing to many in the world that finds solace in its teachings and uses it as a guide for their lives. By the same token, many become so involved, they can no longer see the forest through the trees and believe their particular brand of faith transcends all others – and to state that is an insult to all of the other religions that flourish in this world. It becomes even worse when they attempt to force their morals and beliefs on the majority – thus infringing on their personal rights and also insulting those of other faiths.

    Religion is the balm to those who can lean on it responsibly, but when it becomes all-consuming, radicalized so to speak, I liken it to an incurable disease, one that has killed more human beings than all of the natural disasters and plagues that have so far been released on mankind. Where is the difference between Radical Islam and Radical Evangelical Christianity? Just because radical Christians wear suits and ties and murder by enlisting others to do their dirty deeds does not make them better than radical Islamic extremists that turn themselves into living bombs. Both are wrong – and just because you can kill without actually becoming personally involved in the fight yourself doesn’t necessarily make you any better than the man that does the killing up close and personal. Murder is murder – no matter how you sugarcoat it or package it for the masses.

  • http://www.darklordofconservatism.com/blogcms Donald Baker

    John’s interpretation of Christ as Antichrist is clever, but sad as well. First of all, the beast is mortally wounded in his head. Christ’s wounds to his head were by a crown of thorns. I assure you the crown didn’t do him in….the aphixiation he experienced from the cross is what got him. Also the messianic prophecy in Genesis concerning the seed of the woman shall crush the head of the serpent and the serpent will bruise his heel….well Christ’s heel was bruised when the nails were driven through his feet and Christ will crush the head of the serpent when he returns to rule the earth as he casts the Antichrist and his followers into the Lake of Fire. Finally, the False Prophet could not have been Paul because of several things. One, both the Antichrist and his False Prophet must be working in concert at the same time–Paul’s ministry was after Christ had left the earth. Secondly, the False Prophet causes all to receive the mark of the first beast in order to buy and sell. Paul never did such a thing and he certainly could not have done so from a Roman prison cell. So John, whoever you are, you’ll just have to rethink your theory because as it stands now, it doesn’t hold water. :)

  • http://www.darklordofconservatism.com/blogcms Donald Baker

    John’s interpretation of Christ as Antichrist is clever, but sad as well. First of all, the beast is mortally wounded in his head. Christ’s wounds to his head were by a crown of thorns. I assure you the crown didn’t do him in….the aphixiation he experienced from the cross is what got him. Also the messianic prophecy in Genesis concerning the seed of the woman shall crush the head of the serpent and the serpent will bruise his heel….well Christ’s heel was bruised when the nails were driven through his feet and Christ will crush the head of the serpent when he returns to rule the earth as he casts the Antichrist and his followers into the Lake of Fire. Finally, the False Prophet could not have been Paul because of several things. One, both the Antichrist and his False Prophet must be working in concert at the same time–Paul’s ministry was after Christ had left the earth. Secondly, the False Prophet causes all to receive the mark of the first beast in order to buy and sell. Paul never did such a thing and he certainly could not have done so from a Roman prison cell. So John, whoever you are, you’ll just have to rethink your theory because as it stands now, it doesn’t hold water. :)

  • http://justanothercoverup.com Bill

    This article has received an enormous amount of views – and while it describes part of the issue Americans face today from Evangelical Christians, I have edited the above piece to include other relevant articles that expose even more of the radical nature of the Evangelical Christian movement.

    The other links and information appear at the end of the above article.

    JAC

  • http://justanothercoverup.com/ Bill

    This article has received an enormous amount of views – and while it describes part of the issue Americans face today from Evangelical Christians, I have edited the above piece to include other relevant articles that expose even more of the radical nature of the Evangelical Christian movement.

    The other links and information appear at the end of the above article.

    JAC

  • Chemical Method

    How about this “piece of work” —

    Enter the wrong Rev. John Hagee, who says, in effect, bring on Armageddon, my leaders.

    (Bend over fatass, and let me kick you in the pants! Mr. Hagee and the others just need to end it early, so that they don’t have to worry about any second coming. Let the poor sinners of the world suffer, Hagee.

    Make an early exit to be at god’s side. No one will blame you.)

    http://www.alternet.org/story/39748/

    Lobbying for Armageddon

    By Sarah Posner, AlterNet. Posted August 3, 2006.

    Some influential evangelical leaders are lobbying for an attack on Iran. But it’s not about geopolitics — it’s about bringing about the End Times.

    In a perfect world, a reporter at last week’s press conference with George Bush and Tony Blair would have asked Bush, in the presence of his principal European ally, if he believes the European Union is the Antichrist.

    Although it sounds like the kind of Pat Robertson lunacy that makes even the wingnuts run for the nearest exit, it’s a question Bush should be forced to answer. Bush and other leading Republicans have lined up behind a growing movement of Christian Zionists for whom a European Antichrist figures prominently in an end-times scenario. So they should be forced to explain to the rest of us why they’re courting the votes of people who believe our allies are evil incarnate. Could it be that the central requirement for their breathlessly anticipated Armageddon — that the United States confront Iran — happens to dovetail so nicely with the neoconservative war agenda?

    At the center of it all is Pastor John Hagee, a popular televangelist who leads the 18,000-member Cornerstone Church in San Antonio, Texas. While Hagee has long prophesized about the end times, he ratcheted up his rhetoric this year with the publication of his book, “Jerusalem Countdown,” in which he argues that a confrontation with Iran is a necessary precondition for Armageddon and the Second Coming of Christ. In the best-selling book, Hagee insists that the United States must join Israel in a preemptive military strike against Iran to fulfill God’s plan for both Israel and the West. Shortly after the book’s publication, he launched Christians United for Israel (CUFI), which, as the Christian version of the powerful American Israel Public Affairs Committee, he said would cause “a political earthquake.”

    At CUFI’s kick-off banquet at the Washington Hilton, attended by over 3,500 members, Republican support for both Hagee’s effort and his drumbeat for war with Iran were on full view. Republican National Committee Chair Ken Mehlman told the group that “no regime is more central to the global jihad” than Iran. Just two days before, Newt Gingrich and John McCain made the rounds of the Sunday talk shows to sound the same message, leading Benny Elon, a member of the Israeli Knesset, to comment to the Jerusalem Post that their remarks originated with Hagee. Rick Santorum and Sam Brownback also addressed the group, and Bush sent words of support to the gathering. Republicans, and even some Democrats, spoke at CUFI events to show their “support for Israel.” But while public and media attention was on the fighting between Israel and Hezbollah, Hagee’s focus continued to be on Iran.

  • Chemical Method

    How about this “piece of work” —

    Enter the wrong Rev. John Hagee, who says, in effect, bring on Armageddon, my leaders.

    (Bend over fatass, and let me kick you in the pants! Mr. Hagee and the others just need to end it early, so that they don’t have to worry about any second coming. Let the poor sinners of the world suffer, Hagee.

    Make an early exit to be at god’s side. No one will blame you.)

    http://www.alternet.org/story/39748/

    Lobbying for Armageddon

    By Sarah Posner, AlterNet. Posted August 3, 2006.

    Some influential evangelical leaders are lobbying for an attack on Iran. But it’s not about geopolitics — it’s about bringing about the End Times.

    In a perfect world, a reporter at last week’s press conference with George Bush and Tony Blair would have asked Bush, in the presence of his principal European ally, if he believes the European Union is the Antichrist.

    Although it sounds like the kind of Pat Robertson lunacy that makes even the wingnuts run for the nearest exit, it’s a question Bush should be forced to answer. Bush and other leading Republicans have lined up behind a growing movement of Christian Zionists for whom a European Antichrist figures prominently in an end-times scenario. So they should be forced to explain to the rest of us why they’re courting the votes of people who believe our allies are evil incarnate. Could it be that the central requirement for their breathlessly anticipated Armageddon — that the United States confront Iran — happens to dovetail so nicely with the neoconservative war agenda?

    At the center of it all is Pastor John Hagee, a popular televangelist who leads the 18,000-member Cornerstone Church in San Antonio, Texas. While Hagee has long prophesized about the end times, he ratcheted up his rhetoric this year with the publication of his book, “Jerusalem Countdown,” in which he argues that a confrontation with Iran is a necessary precondition for Armageddon and the Second Coming of Christ. In the best-selling book, Hagee insists that the United States must join Israel in a preemptive military strike against Iran to fulfill God’s plan for both Israel and the West. Shortly after the book’s publication, he launched Christians United for Israel (CUFI), which, as the Christian version of the powerful American Israel Public Affairs Committee, he said would cause “a political earthquake.”

    At CUFI’s kick-off banquet at the Washington Hilton, attended by over 3,500 members, Republican support for both Hagee’s effort and his drumbeat for war with Iran were on full view. Republican National Committee Chair Ken Mehlman told the group that “no regime is more central to the global jihad” than Iran. Just two days before, Newt Gingrich and John McCain made the rounds of the Sunday talk shows to sound the same message, leading Benny Elon, a member of the Israeli Knesset, to comment to the Jerusalem Post that their remarks originated with Hagee. Rick Santorum and Sam Brownback also addressed the group, and Bush sent words of support to the gathering. Republicans, and even some Democrats, spoke at CUFI events to show their “support for Israel.” But while public and media attention was on the fighting between Israel and Hezbollah, Hagee’s focus continued to be on Iran.

  • John

    == Risen Christ is Antichrist ==

    The Risen Chirst is the Antichirst, the first beast that had the fatal wound that had been healed.

    Paul of Tarsus was his false prophet, the second beast who was servent to the first beast and extended its authority everywhere, making the world and all its people worship the first beast.

    If you don’t believe me, read the Bible and no! you will not die if you eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, but your eyes will be opened and you will be like gods.

    ~~~~John~~~~

  • John

    == Risen Christ is Antichrist ==

    The Risen Chirst is the Antichirst, the first beast that had the fatal wound that had been healed.

    Paul of Tarsus was his false prophet, the second beast who was servent to the first beast and extended its authority everywhere, making the world and all its people worship the first beast.

    If you don’t believe me, read the Bible and no! you will not die if you eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, but your eyes will be opened and you will be like gods.

    ~~~~John~~~~

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